HBD and PUA

Roissy wrote a great post on the intersection of these viewpoints last week. In that post, he takes a swipe at HBDers at the expense of PUAs. The relevant part is:

[HBD and PUA share a belief that] evolutionary science can explain a lot about modern human behavior, whether ethnic, racial, or sexual. Thus, HBD and PUA are cross-linked on a foundational level. Perhaps the most notable difference is that practitioners in PUA, through the use of game, are candid about seeking to exploit the knowledge of generalizable human behavioral differences for personal fun and profit. HBD believers (which, in actuality, includes most of humanity, regardless of their claims to believing it or not) hide their true intentions behind an obfuscatory cloud of squid ink and evasion even as they rush to move to undiverse neighborhoods when their kids are old enough to go to school. The difference between a PUA and the typical HBD follower: the PUA has the integrity to stand by his actions and not insult your intelligence.

Perhaps just to be provocative, I’d like to take a swipe at PUAs from an HBD perspective.

We know that things like rates of marriage, divorce and single-motherhood are different across races.

One can take a completely detached view of racial differences and simply state these facts without attaching any moral qualities to the differences.

On the other hand, one can believe that low rates of marriage, high rates of divorce and high rates of single-motherhood are bad. I am partial to this view and this view is necessary to make a belief in HBD meaningful. If one takes this view, then one can’t help but view the rise of PUAs as a mixed bag.

Some PUAs seem to glorify the decline of morality. To make matters worse, they use PUA techniques as a way to hasten this decline. If you’re trying to create a world in which everyone behaves in the worst possible way, why does it matter if some races already behave worse than others? Do you congratulate these races for being further along on the downward spiral? Is their behavior to be emulated?

For HBD to be meaningful, we have to be willing to judge certain practices. What does mean if one says, "people of this or that race are more likely to do X," and then one goes out and glorifies the same activity? I think some PUAs are guilty of this practice.

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3 Responses to HBD and PUA

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  2. John says:

    For HBD to be meaningful, we have to be willing to judge certain practices. What does mean if one says, “people of this or that race are more likely to do X,” and then one goes out and glorifies the same activity? I think some PUAs are guilty of this practice.

    People used to judge certain practices regularly. Then liberals thought it was racist to view different behavioral norms as substandard. The differences (in behavior and a host of other traits) were to be celebrated. There was to be no more “judging”. To judge became a symbol of intolerance; a manifestation of “white privilege”. Yeah, we used to have behavioral norms, but now we have relativism, which ends behaviorally at the lowest common denominator.

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