Raising boys

OneSTDV has lots of thoughts on how to raise boys in the modern world.

I think the idea of raising children without reference to the modern world is interesting. I’ve complained before that, once you step into the modern world, you become a progressive in many ways. You just can’t help but imbibe the progressive worldview and (particularly) language.

It would be really cool to raise someone with the mindset of an 18th Century nobleman. However, would life in the 21st Century really be all that cool for a reincarnated 18th Century nobleman? I’m not so sure. He’d probably walk around in constant awe of how vulgar everyone around him was. Anyway, like it or not, eventually the kid is going to have to make his way in the modern world.

In short, I think it would be irresponsible not to prepare him for this eventuality.
I don’t intend to even try to completely isolate my kid(s) from the reality of the modern world. I hope to create a nice, old-fashioned lifestyle in my home and let that example – set against the rest of the world – do it’s thing.

One asks: "So in raising our children, should we teach boys the tricks of Game and social dynamics, knowing that the corresponding tactics undermine the society we aspire to?"

The alternative to not teaching children about the realities of modern social dynamics would mean throwing them into the pit of the modern sexual marketplace totally unequipped. That just seems cruel.

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13 Responses to Raising boys

    • TGGP says:

      And since Hanson (one of my favorites, though I am less sanguine about immigration) is mentioned in the post below, I should mention that in his forager-farmer story the wealthy of the past could indulge in forager behavior and now that we are wealthier overall we see an increase in many of those traits. But since farmer behavior still has a higher “fitness” that is just a temporary phase and the emulation dominated future may be full of god-fearing bots leading a Malthusian existence. In Hanson’s eyes, it will likely be a glorious future.

  1. red says:

    How does game undermine the future? You need to control female sexuality to have a civilization not male sexuality. Our past 200 years of trying to control male sexuality has been an unmitigated disaster.

  2. UninterestingConnections says:

    Teach them to use firearms.

  3. Gian says:

    “nice, old-fashioned lifestyle”

    Do you mean patriarchal?

    • Foseti says:

      I’m not entirely sure what that means nowadays, so it’s hard to say. I hope that my wife will eventually stop working, and these days, that basically qualifies as patriarchal.

  4. Handle says:

    I think about this issue as having two elements – objectives and methods. Objectives can be are normative and moral, but methods are positive and “technical”.

    A Father thus has two duties is raising him son – to try and instill within him a compelling set of values about the pursuit of the life well lived, but also to give him effective practical advice in terms of how he can successfully go about achieving his goals whatever they may be.

    I don’t think either “Making your own Madrassa cut off from the world” or “Being merely a transmitter of optimal tools and techniques for pure hedonism” alone is satisfactory. Most religious families and communities that do not cut themselves off from the wider world are practiced at educating their children in this dual perspective of private, family adherence to spiritual truth combined with the need to function on equal terms in the public arena without making pointless sacrifices.

  5. Chris says:

    I think this project needs to be seen in the light of child-rearing research, which, as I understand it, indicates that genetics and peer groups play a much larger role in personality outcomes than parenting. I conclude from this that the best way to turn someone against the modern world is to (1) promote and educate with regard to any gifts they have in order to encourage cultural elitism and to (2) manage their exposure to other children carefully and stamp out bad peer influences immediately.

    My parents were artists, pseudo-hippies, and intuitively conservative. I was raised in non-affluent circumstances, but surrounded by fine objects acquired at estate sales and real art (not hackwork or posters of famous impressionist paintings). My parents went to lengths to obtain fine ceramics and utensils for use at table, and I was passively educated about art history and appreciation. To this day, for me, the unassailable argument against leftism and the modern world is its aesthetic bankruptcy. For others, maybe something else.

    Peer groups are much harder to manage. I wasn’t much of a joiner.

  6. dearieme says:

    When I started school my mother kitted me out in clogs and my father gave me the advice that “If anyone tries to bully you, kick him on the knee”. There must be some modern equivalent.

  7. Retiredguy says:

    Herman Lehmann was captured by Apaches when he was nine years old. How he was raised to manhood makes for an interesting read, 9 Years Among the Indians. To comapre his preparation for adulthood with the schooling of today for our modern youth puts the same to the money being spent today. Mostly women teachers teach boy what and how? For sure it is not how to be a man, self reliant, and skilled to survive in the society. Boys at 9 were powder monkeys on British Men of War in combat. A bit more of Spartan schooling is needed in our society.

  8. Doug1 says:

    One asks: “So in raising our children, should we teach boys the tricks of Game and social dynamics, knowing that the corresponding tactics undermine the society we aspire to?”

    The alternative to not teaching children about the realities of modern social dynamics would mean throwing them into the pit of the modern sexual marketplace totally unequipped. That just seems cruel.

    I agree with the second paragraph above, but not with the premise of the first.

    It’s not game that’s corrosive to the society we aspire to. Most men have always wanted to have casual sex if they could get it without terrible consequences. Game just helps a guy in his competitive ability to get the causal sex which women have on offer, particularly nice white middle class and up white and Asian guys who’ve been most socialize to be emasculated female deferential “nice guys” and wuzzes towards women.

    What undermines the society we aspire to is the propaganda against slut shaming by feminists, most other aspects of feminism, the availability of cheap and effective birth control feminist lobbied for divorce and out of wedlock child support laws, and so on.

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  10. I just came across some thought on raising boys by the English philosopher Roger Scruton. This first piece (which apparently set off some sort of frenzy in Britain) was published when his son Sam was five-months-old and this second one when Sam was two-and-a-half and after Scruton had also had a daughter. I’m still waiting for the release of his book Battle Hymn of a Lion Dad.

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