Review of “Freedom Twenty-Five” by Frost

Frost was kind enough to send me an advance copy of his book, which comes out today.

Frost is 4 years younger than me. We started our lives in similar circumstances (though he apparently had a much more turbulent home life (divorce)). We both even ended up working for our respective national governments (he’s Canadian).

More surprisingly, we both encountered the same sorts of strange ideas that at first appear to be largely unrelated.

At this point in our lives our paths diverged. I got married and started a family. He quit his job to travel the world and be entrepreneurial. Despite these divergences, we both put the same sort of ideas into practice in different ways.

The book is divided into five sections: 1) health; 2) wealth; 3) sex; 4) wisdom; and 5) purpose.

It may be oversimplifying a bit to say that the broader alt-right-o-sphere can also be divided into these categories and that Frost’s book may be the best (and perhaps only one-stop) brief introduction to all five of these topics.

Let’s take each in turn.

Frost’s health section is a brief introduction to the Paleo diet and to minimalist work-out routines like those covered by Tim Ferriss. Actually there’s a lot in Ferriss’s book that isn’t particularly helpful to people who aren’t into hardcore lifestyle changes. Frost distills the essence of the Paleo diet/exercise regimes into a few pages. I’ve following a half-assed Paleo diet for a while now (with some strong emphasis on the half-assed). I’ve lost about 12 pounds and I really wasn’t trying to lose weight. I was happy to see that Frost is not a fanatic about his diet and health (or any of the other topics he covers).

Frost’ wealth section basically covers three topics: 1) spend less money (and avoid debt); 2) make more money (entrepreneurship – again drawing from Ferriss); and 3) putting your money to work (basically a Random Walk-type investment strategy plus gold). I entirely agree with this strategy, though I’m a little more favorably inclined to prudent real estate investment than Frost.

Frost’s sex section covers game. His analysis is neutral with respect to the question of whether or not you should pursue a long-term relationship, though it seems like he would eventually like one. This section contains the only couple of sentences in the book with which I disagree. Frost seems to suggest that he wants kids, but doesn’t want to marry – let’s call this African-American family arrangement. How’s that working out for them?

Frost’s chapter on wisdom is an indictment of our generation’s educational system and pop culture – I’d put these together into the broader category of mainstream propaganda. His basic advice is to find a way to put down the propaganda and focus on the good stuff – mostly written by dead, white dudes (he specifically mentions Carlyle, Plate and Cicero).

Frost’s chapter on purpose continues many of the same themes as the chapter on wisdom. Those who agree with Frost are implicitly or explicitly "rebelling against a culture of laziness, mediocrity and spiritual poverty." Frost’s advice is to "become excellent." We all must pursue excellence in our own ways, so here’s to wishing us both success.

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27 Responses to Review of “Freedom Twenty-Five” by Frost

  1. chucho says:

    Ah, but according to HBD, everyone can’t be excellent.

  2. Frost says:

    Hey, thanks for the review! I had actually guessed that you were in your mid-thirties, didn’t know you weren’t much older than I. Perhaps having a family results in some extra maturity and gravitas in your voice.

    I don’t object or disagree with any part of your review, so I’ll just mention that while I think F25 is a great book and I enjoyed writing it, I feel like I am pretty much done with the self-improvement genre. I have concluded, with characteristic humility, that I have little more to learn on the subject and would rather focus my attention elsewhere. The next book will be much more relevant to La Reactione, which I’m starting to realize is inevitably where my energy and time are best spent.

    Cheers!

    Frost

  3. Frost says:

    Also, my views on real estate investment have changed a bit after reading Peter Schiff’s Crash Proof 2.0

    I still think that US property values are due for an even greater crash, but if you can finance a home with only a small down payment, you can count on the US$ depreciating faster than the value of your land. Especially with int rates in the tank and destined to stay there until the crash.

    Cheers!

    Frost

    • Foseti says:

      My rule of thumb on this is to get a 15-year fixed rate mortgage on which you can easily afford the payments (they used to say no more than 33% of income back when they cared if you could afford a loan).

      • Frost says:

        But what is that rule of thumb based on?

        If you agree with me that the US is due for a major drop in purchasing power, you should also agree that property values in the US are due for a major crash as well – and when I say major, I mean, people will forget that 2007-2008 ever happened. There are a ton of assets that will VASTLY outperform American real estate over the next decade or two – in particular, the equities and bonds of companies in stable countries that either produce/refine natural resources, or provide goods and services for Asian consumers.

        So why buy a property that will decline in value 50-90% in the near future?

        Because the USD is going to decline in value by 95-99.9% over the same time period. Property values in the US will crash, but the burden of the nominal debts you take on will crash even harder. It’s in your best interest to be as indebted as possible when the SHTF and the world decides that the printing-press-addicted USA is no longer a great choice for a fiat reserve currency.

        Again, I highly recommend Schiff on this.

        If you disagree (I know your career has you in the belly of the beast) please try and talk me out of these positions! I have a few bucks riding on it…

        Cheers,

        Frost

      • Foseti says:

        I don’t see any economic disaster scenarios that don’t involve inflation. Land/houses in rural areas or in major cities tend to hold their values during periods of high inflation. I’m not saying it should be 100% of your savings, but there is some room for real estate investments.

  4. Fake Herzog says:

    Foseti (and Frost),

    I wish I had read a book like that when I was 25! Regarding purpose, I would of course steer you both in the direction of Christ, but am encouraged that you have the good sense to engage in the pursuit in the first place!

    Regarding the paleo diet/exercise regime — I may have to get the book just for this section as I’m 42 and would like to loose about 20 pounds and eat healthier (I love my fast food and live in Chicago, home of Vienna Beef hot dogs, Italian beef sandwiches, amazing hamburger joints with hand cut french fries all over the place, etc., etc. — we are a foodie town). Any other good recommendations of short books I should get to steer me in the right direction?

    • Foseti says:

      I can’t think of anything else that’s so brief and covers such a broad range of topics. Read the Ferriss book and maybe “Good Calories, Bad Calories” if you want more on diet.

      • Frost says:

        I would add to that: Mark Sisson’s Primal Blueprint and Kurt Harris’s Archevore blog. Each has a 1-2 page brief intorduction to paleo/low carb eating.

        And trust me, it works. Check out Ferdinand’s twitter feed after just a few days of paleo, he reminds me of the Brawndo commercials:

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  6. Marriage seems like a really awful decision these days. I’m with Frost, I think. Don’t get married; have kids.

  7. Fake Herzog says:

    Mr. Durand,

    Children need their mother and father — marriage as an institution is designed to provide them both.

    • Foseti says:

      The other thing that I find odd is that marriage doesn’t seem like more of a commitment than having children. If you can’t trust the person from whom your children will get half their DNA to marry you, it seems like having children with her is an odd decision.

      • Frost says:

        I agree with you, and would even take it one step further and say that having children is a far greater commitment than getting married.

        The difference is that I very much want to have children. It is one of the most important goals that I have in life. Since “having children” is a prerequisite for having children, I must accept the legal and emotional risks of fatherhood.

        Marriage on the other hand is a choice. I have no desire to get married. I value love and commitment quite highly, but legal sham-marriage? Not in the slightest.

        So yes, the risks of fatherhood are far greater than those of marriage, but one is a non-negotiable goal in my life, while the other is… nothing, really. To me at least.

        While I am not a Christian, I suggest that it would be a greater sin to dishonour True Marriage by submitting to the modern western state’s Sham Marriage contracts. Better to swear an oath to your partner and God, and leave the state out of it, IMO.

        Cheers,

        Frost

      • Foseti says:

        I have a friend that’s doing things your way. He moved to MD specifically, since they don’t ever recognize common law marriage.

  8. Ferris looks small. He’s pretty lean though so hopefully his plans include walking around with a shirt off.

    Schiff is a shyster.

    I advocated a Random Walk strategy several months back here and got nowhere.

    Owning some gold and silver is probably a good idea.

  9. Chris says:

    Plate! I love Plate, too.

    Maybe every young man of this type should start out reading Aristotle.

  10. Anonymous says:

    Perhaps Frost should have waited a further 25 years to publish his book. To see the actual results of his theories. You can´t provide any actual advice until you´re old enough.
    I´m 44 and I would be hard pressed to give any useful advice to young men. Maybe I could tell them what not to do. Or some of the things I´d rather not do again. But other than that…

  11. PA says:

    I have a friend who broke up with a girl he lived with in Virginia, to avoid the common-law scenario.

    Now, is this legal twist possible: a couple cohabitate in a state that enforces common-law-marriage, but then he moves out, and actually marries another woman. Can his ex-girlfriend sue to nullify his actual marriage on grounds of polygamy, invoking their already-existing common-law “marriage”?

  12. RS says:

    Which Aristotle should a young fellow pick up?

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  14. Dave says:

    I keep learning more about Frost from these reviews. I had him pegged as an American finance type, not a Canadian civil servant.

  15. Phlebas says:

    I bought the kindle version. It’s all sensible-sounding stuff; a decent overview of the current alt-right self-improvement ideas in circulation on the internet.

    On the other hand the book seemed a little short for £8, and the tone is chatty. If Frost intends to write something worthwhile about “La Reactione” (reactionary politics and history?) he’ll have to add a great deal of depth. Hopefully “La Reactione” also involves distinguishing “game” as a realistic appraisal of female evolutionary psychology, from “game” as a practice that would be viewed with contempt and social exclusion in a bona fide reactionary society.

    In summary this book is a decent supplement to the alt-right blogosphere, and the writing is sufficiently agreeable and engaging such that it would make a good present for a young right-leaning or apolitical Western male (probably best for an 18-21-year-old in my opinion).

    • Kalim Kassam says:

      Good comment.

      I am in the target demographic (24 yr old male), and also pretty well versed in the alt-right & self-improvement literature.

      Two years ago, I was a lost soul. Today, less so. This book was quite helpful on my path: it distilled and reinforced much of what I’d already learned but also added to it by applying that knowledge specifically to the situation in which I find myself as a modern post-adolescent-but-not-quite-man.

      I already have, and will continue to, recommend it to a number of my male coevals who are either 1) into self-improvement 2) lost souls 3) not leftists. It is a breezy (for anyone semi-literate), personal, passionate read and a great introduction to much of what we have learned through the alt-right blogosphere. It is a sort of easy to swallow “pink-pill” that may lead curious readers to consider swallowing the red-pill.

      I think this is a great marketing strategy for our side. We need young men, and young men are interested in the topics covered in the book more than philosophy, history, political theory, economics, theology etc. The book will be helpful to them in their own life, but may also recruit them to the reaction. If first shows them what reaction can do for them, then asks them to consider what they will do for reaction.

      I will recommend to Frost that in the 2nd edition he better integrate the “online companion” which gives links to more in-depth information on the topics covered. There should be further-reading links integrated into the text, at the end of each chapter, or at least at the very end. Perhaps best would be to also sell the book as an iOS app which has more dynamic clickable links than is possible on Kindle.

      In conclusion: give this book to any young man whom you genuinely wish to help make progress in his life

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