Randoms of the day

– Yglesias and Cheap Chalupas are having a pretty (unintentionally) hysterical back and forth (start here and go backwards) to try to determine who has higher SWPL status. It’s too close to call.

QOTD: "It will be this goddamn ‘Who Whom?’ question for the rest of your life, then you die."

– Larison on the democratic peace theory.

– Unamusement channels Carlyle


15 Responses to Randoms of the day

  1. Anonymous says:

    regarding democratic peace theory, see this: http://users.rcn.com/mwhite28/demowar.htm

    • Alrenous says:

      Awesome, thanks.
      Made me realize something about the intellectual organization of usenet, and thus likely humans in general.

      So, does replacing ‘democracies’ with ‘Allies of USG’ miss very much in the way of ‘genuine’ democracies?

    • Phlebas says:

      Great link, thanks.

  2. KK says:

    Well, a few days ago foseti condensed the Moldbug definition of democracy as “bureucratic rule by the International Community”. If you go by that, it’s no wonder you don’t see wars between ‘democratic states’. Vassals generally do not fight each other unless authorized by the ruler.

    Great link btw.

  3. Phlebas says:

    So what actually ends war? Well, there’s a body of research in political science called “the democratic peace” literature, which was discussed in Steven Pinker’s new book. The idea is simple – for whatever reason, democracies almost never fight each other. Of course, democracies go to war against non-democracies. But for some reason, democracies just don’t fight each other.

    What’s the policy implication of all this? First, the sorts of rules that Maddow proposes are useless. People will just ignore the rules when they want to when they want war. Second, you have to reduce the population of non-democracies. Thus, if the Federal government wants to protect the United States by preventing war, the best, and cheapest, way to do it is to provide support and assistance for indigenous movements for democracy and tolerance. Once people have a genuine democracy at work, they just don’t want to fight with each other. They just don’t.

    Firstly, “They just don’t” – argument or mantra? People who are, by means in particular of schooling and ubiquitous television propaganda, unable to think freely without feeling incapacitating stabs of Pavlovian guilt and terror, are unduly influenced by this kind of dark-arts persuasive tactic.

    This mindset can be seen in a different context at the “occidentalascent” blog at the moment. Rational weighing of evidence goes out of the window when someone who can scrape together a few bunkum statistics decides to proclaim that the negro intelligence deficit is a lie, and the reason for this is that many people feel like naughty children when confronted by even the flimsiest of challenges, presented in a duly authoritative manner, to their heresies. Without training, it’s difficult for thought to triumph over a powerful emotion.

    Secondly, the author Rojas has committed the ugly solecism of conflating citizens with their government. “Once people have a geniune democracy…” – which people is he talking about? Of course, imprecise language that confounds more than it clarifies is another hugely successful dark-arts technique.

    Supposing however that “people” refers to the voting public, since when has public consent been required in order for the government to pursue unpopular wars, such as the ongoing Middle Eastern debacles?

    Thirdly, as Wilkinson points out the implication that the Arab Spring is an indigenous movement is an outrageous mistruth.

    Fourthly, in what sense do the extant non-democratic states pose a military threat to the United States, such that it needs to be “protected”? Need the United States have been fearful of a war with Libya, before it allayed this fear by going to war with, erm, Libya?

    I’m amazed how much illogic can be crammed into two paragraphs.

  4. The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:

    And of course, no mention is made of TPTB in democracies manipulating the people in order to go to war …

  5. spandrell says:

    The actual definition is democracy = US satellite. So US satellite don’t fight each other. No shit.

    • Anonymous says:


    • rightsaidfred says:

      “You will be assimilated.”

      • Nyk says:

        “I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We’ve never harmed you. And yet we’re constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we’ve left the Federation, and that’s the one thing you can’t accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You’re only sending them replicators because one day they can take their “rightful place” on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways you’re even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You’re more insidious. You assimilate people and they don’t even know it.”
        – Michael Eddington

        Federation = multicult-marxist utopian superpower, America
        Maquis = racists, right-wing bigots
        Cardassians = populations that have no conception of civilized behavior and justice (due to either genetic or cultural reasons)
        replicators = foreign aid

        (good thing marxist Roddenberry died, allowing some more realistic people to run DS9)

    • rightsaidfred says:

      … I’m confident your college is thrilled to include you in their count of Hispanic students and doesn’t really want to know you may be thinking of yourself as Armenian.

      Hear no Evil, speak no Evil, see no Evil.

  6. Erik says:

    Is Foseti on vacation or something? Ten days since last post.

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