A while back, this survey was going around. It shows that lots of people believe in creationism. I think it wildly underestimates the number of creationists.
According to the survey about 22% of people don’t believe that God was involved in creating humans. What does this 22% believe? My guess is many of those in this 22% are among the strongest believers in human neurological uniformity HNU: "given the genetic history of the human species, global equality in any quantitative trait – physical or behavioral – is about as likely as dropping a handful of quarters and having them all land on edge."
Believers in HNU would seem to believe that some mysterious force intervened in the process of evolution many thousands of years ago. This force acted to ensure that all populations of humans – regardless of how isolated they were from one another and how differently other traits diverged across these populations – evolved the exact same mental qualities/abilities. In other words, the evolutionary optimal IQ for people in Norway 30,000 years ago is exactly the same as the evolutionary optimal IQ for someone in Nigeria 30,000 years ago. It’s science.
If these people were honest, they would admit that they believe in God and that they’re creationists. Instead, they call themselves scientists, despite the fact that clearly stating their idea immediately demonstrates its absurdity. Hence, if you state the idea clearly, you will be dealt with.
I’d estimate the true number of creationists in our society is closer to 95-98%. Of course, the most destructive ones, are the ones who generally aren’t considered creationists.
Foseti 
Foseti,
I know tons of creationists who don’t believe in HNU. They call what you call evolution in this context either microevolution or animal husbandry. The smart rednecks call it—the apple not falling far from the tree, or it not being a very windy day when the apple fell from that tree.
I, for instance, don’t believe that God is in any way fair in the way we think of fairness in handing out attributes to groups or individuals. Hath not the potter power over the clay, to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor? Hell, I don’t even believe that God plays like a hero system gamemaster and gives each group the same abstract number of points. That’s churchian nonsense, not the clear indication of Scripture and your lying eyes.
Also, young earth creationists tend to be very quick to attribute different outcomes, including the outcome of inferior DNA, to the differing levels of sin, or differing levels of love of the knowledge of God, among nations. Again, straight from the Old Testament. Quite ironic, really, that those who take the Bible most literally often arrive at far more rational viewpoints than those who believe literalists to be utterly irrational. They’re actually more likely than their urbane detractors to believe their lying eyes.
The Biblical literalists are very much our allies in the Reaction. Some of them I bet are actual racists. And they sure as hell don’t give a fsck about what the mainstream media thinks about them.
Think Dual Seedline Christian Identity.
Cultural “Marxism” functions as a revealed religion with high priests like Tim Wise. Tim Wise defines racism, so everyone who objects against “racism” subjects himself to the Papal Infallibility of Tim Wise.
I’d estimate the true number of creationists in our society is closer to 95-98%. Of course, the most destructive ones, are the ones who generally aren’t considered creationists.
How do you square this with your recent claim that the elite are closet believers in HBD?
Hmm. Good question.
People act in manners contradictory to their religion all the time. They “believe” in creationism, but move into non-diverse neighborhoods (for the schools, of curse). They believe it’s impossible for a rich guy to get into heaven, but they’d all take a million bucks if you offered it to them.
Very good remark. Hypocrisy is found everywhere.
I don’t think anyone believes that everyone has the same IQ (because IQ is racist). What most HNU advocates say is that there are different, but equal forms of intelligence, and so everyone has the same ‘capability’; ‘you can do anything if you set your mind to it.’
We just need a test for Setting One’s Mind to a thing, then.
Different forms of intelligence would still lead to different outcomes. But if everybody is equally intelligent, strong and tough people would be overal superior.
@Jehu:
I, for instance, don’t believe that God is in any way fair in the way we think of fairness in handing out attributes to groups or individuals.
This seems pretty clear to me, too. The story of King David always struck me this way. How is it fair that one guy gets everything? God doesn’t roll with post-modern interpretations of “fairness”, I guess.
@Foseti:
People act in manners contradictory to their religion all the time.
Yes, I remark on this quite a bit. For one thing, I see it as evidence for the truth of the Christian worldview, though perhaps not terribly strong evidence. For another, I think it belies any idea that pornography or loosening sexual mores, for instance, will do a great deal to lessen Islam’s influence in the Middle East. Muslims are perfectly capable of following their religion when it tells them to behead their enemies, and not following it when it tells them to be chaste.
Samson,
Near as I can tell, God positively REVELS in the sort of ‘unfairness’ that contemporary liberals (read, almost everyone) claims to be against (but I never see them trying to socialize THEIR areas of advantage, everyone is reactionary in their own sphere of excellence, or at least sphere of better than total mediocrity).
The closest approximation to the way God actually appears to work that I’ve seen in a game was, if I recall, an old version of Chivalry and Sorcery that had a point based character generation system, with the catch that everyone didn’t get the same number of points—instead, you rolled to determine the number of points that you got to distribute. This, the most manifestly unfair character generation system I’ve EVER seen in a game is actually reasonably close to reality (people face tradeoffs in what talents they develop, but just about everything good is correlated, just as bad things also have correlations with each other).
Near as I can tell, this is because God just likes it that way, and He provides us with an ample number of verses in His Scripture with which to make the heads of nearly everyone raised after 1950 or so explode. I particularly like the one about the Potter having power over the clay, to make one vessel unto honor and another unto dishonor.
That is indeed very realistic for a role playing system.
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