– Fred Reed suggests limiting the vote to people over 30, who can pass a literacy test (“The objection will be raised that to require literacy will be to disenfranchise various minorities. The solution is for the various minorities to learn to read.”), and who have an IQ of 130 or higher.  Sounds good to me.  I’d only add that we should let them sell their right to vote.

– HBDChick on “The Diversity Illusion.”

– I’m not a fan of natural law, but I like this:

Natural law, I claim, is equivalent to the applicability of statistics and historical patterns. God does, in fact, play dice; and the gambler must, before throwing down his wallet, find out how the dice are loaded.

– Does porn reduce testosterone?

Neoreaction for dummies.

Ideological singularity:

It seems to me that there is a sort of ideological “singularity”, somewhere not far off in the distance, that we are accelerating toward. That singularity would represent the Omega point of the concurrent, onrushing streams of liberal opinion; it would be characterized by absolute non-discrimination, and rejection or elimination of all human differences, as well as by the abrogation of all traditional values, and of belief in objective human truths, in favor of a radical subjectivity in which everyone creates his own self, and his own model of reality, entirely ex nihilo, with no higher aim than maximizing the enjoyment of this brief flicker of life.

Stay at home moms – once again, the elites are doing it right.

– Maybe I was wrong about bitcoin, perhaps all the drug dealers will give up dealing drugs and start speculating on the value of bitcoins.

50 Responses to Randoms

  1. John Rambo says:

    Arianna Pattek, a racist, man-hating feminist bitch

    In the above link, you will find evidence of her committing the CRIME of discrimination based on a man’s race.

    I have included her personal email, the email of her academic advisor, link to her Facebook account, link to her two blogs, and her pictures as well.

    I suggest you men write to her through her email, Facebook, and blogs, and tell her that you are reporting her for the CRIME of discrimination against men.

    American women are really evil bitches.

  2. Oh, indeed, we should limit the vote to males who are over 30 and literate. While we’re at it, we should stop trying to force literacy on everyone. Only scholarly types need to be able to read.

    Ah, fuckit, you know, let’s just wish for a King instead.

  3. vishmehr24 says:

    “Natural law is equivalent to the applicability of statistics and historical patterns.”

    Incorrect. Correlations are basis for animal or non-rational behavior. The human mind seeks Causation. And the natural law follows from a concept of Good. That is, it is equivalent to an idea of Good

  4. Candide III says:

    Foseti, Fred Reed mentioned the Veteran Administration and you have mentioned hiring preferences for veterans. Having some experience of how Chernobyl-related preferences work in ex-USSR, I can’t help wondering whether this veteran status can be manufactured out of thin air (or thick air), and if so whether it is in fact being manufactured. The numbers of Chernobyl veterans have been growing ever since, despite natural (and alcohol-induced) attrition. Any ideas?

    • Foseti says:

      I haven’t sen that yet, but it’s all still pretty new.

      Disabled vets get extra preference and I’ve certainly seem some disabled ones that look more fit than me.

      • Handle says:

        Well, there’s “disabled” and “disabled*VA”. Tinnitus in one ear gets you a 10% rating which, being above 0%, makes you “disabled*VA” enough to qualify for 10 points on an SF-15.

        I’ve often said that the law’s tendency to steal words from plain English and assign them technical, “term of art” definitions- potentially wholly distinct in meaning from the original word – is the source of an enormous amount of mischief, the scale of which is gigantic.

        If the law refuses to follow the lead of physical science and coin foreign-rooted neologisms to mark out novel notions, then it should at least consistently physically identify, by superscript or some other visual, textual symbolic appendage method, the fact that it is using words in a different way from their ordinary dictionary meaning.

        Every other word in the Constitution would be superscripted these days. Which reminds me … back to work.

    • Tarl says:

      Either they have a DD 214 that can prove their status, or they don’t.

      • Candide III says:

        That doesn’t really say much. Over here, you either have documents to prove accident victim status or you don’t. The question is how do you procure these documents.

      • Handle says:

        @Candide: Anyone could forge a DD-214, or a VA rating letter, with hardly any effort. They have no real anti-counterfeiting features. And, in fact, most government agencies would just accept that forgery, no questions asked, and no attempt at verification made.

        However, depending on your job and the agency you’re working for, there are a number of opportunities for passive verification, and so a lot of ways this could come back to haunt you, so it’s a substantial risk.

  5. Anonymous says:

    As the commenters (many of them trolls, but correct in this instance) at murray’s post point out, it is only top, top income earners who can afford to have a stay at home mom. And only women who hold degrees from “elite” schools can be confident that they will be able to find a job again after the kids are grown, because apparently how you did academically from age 13/4-18 is the universal determinant of your life, from now on. Curious that age 13/14 though, is there some reason that’s become the new age that matters? Any subculture that has a major, academic-focused life event around that time? Anybody?

    • Candide III says:

      How about all the calculations floating around that the two-working-parent family does not make financial sense below — what was it? say $200K/y threshold?

      • Novaseeker says:

        It’s more like a zone in there around 200-300k where it’s a substantial lifestyle hit to give up a full blown professional salary, while underneath that the hit is less (salaries are less and probably less proportionately equal) and above that there is enough left over with only one of the salaries to live a quite comfortable family life even in an expensive major metro.

        Most of the couples I know who have SAHMs are indeed highly educated elites, but the Dads are not in the 150k category, but more in the 250-300k category, so their calculus was going from, say 450-500k to 300k, and not the calculus of going from 300k to 150k (a much bigger life hit in an expensive major metro, because there is a “floor” of expenses in such an area that achieves “comfortable”, and which eats up much more of 150k than it does of a 300k sole earner situation). Generally speaking, the higher the Dad’s income, the more likely the wife is a SAHM — it’s a luxury good. But the calculus doesnt work very well where combined incomes are “only” 200-300k (for upper middle class strivers in expensive major metros who want at least a comfortable lifestyle in that expensive context). It starts north of there.

      • asdf says:

        A big thing to consider is homeschooling. I’ve been looking at property around here and even holding commute, house quality, and safety constant there is a MASSIVE school district premium. Say 50% increase in house prices. If you homeschool you don’t need to pay that. You just get a nice house in a good but not great school district and it doesn’t matter because your not sending your kids there (for anything but sports perhaps). That alone is a massive (post tax) money saver.

    • SOBL1 says:

      My wife stays home. I earn less than 100K. I also live in an area w/a low cost of living + we sacrifice some material luxuries (our cars suck). We’ve placed supreme value on having our kids have their mom around as much as possible. Fight Club might be superhomoerotic and sometimes lame, but there is that great line, “the things you own eventually own you”. More people could do it, but they choose not to.

      • Samson J. says:


      • Novaseeker says:

        Oh I agree. If you are willing to make the lifestyle sacrifice you can do it at much lower income levels. There aren’t that many who want to do that below a certain “floor” lifestyle. Going from 300k combined to 150k combined is a drop from the UMC to the MC, a full class level drop, really. There are benefits to doing that, but the reason why more people don’t do it is because they don’t want to drop a class level. (Again, I’m talking about expensive coastal major metros).

        It’s also true that you can drop housing cost by homeschooling and going for a lower school district. But … don’t change your mind.

      • Samson J. says:

        There aren’t that many who want to do that below a certain “floor” lifestyle. Going from 300k combined to 150k combined is a drop from the UMC to the MC, a full class level drop, really.

        Yes, I tried to explain this once, on another blog, to someone who had argued that families with professional-income-earning fathers don’t really sacrifice anything to have a SAHM. Well, they don’t in contrast to families whose fathers earn a lot less (and to those families: I bloody well respect you, believe me), but there is still a definite loss of vacations and other sundry luxury expenses. That is why, among families who are at that critical borderline level, the only ones who tend to make the SAHM decision are ones with an a priori commitment to the idea.

        It’s too bad, because in my experience the lifestyle difference between high-end middle-class and low-end upper-middle-class doesn’t really net you much extra joy. The happiness benefit from money exists, but it drops off sharply after a point that I think is lower than most would suspect. I don’t know too much about “expensive coastal cities”, though.

  6. RS says:

    Lowered androgens are a big social issue IMO. However, the guy goes on to suggest people get 45 min less sleep since 1980 when T levels were supposedly higher. Well, that sleep deficit has a considerable direct effect on T according to work I’ve seen but not vetted. We are also much fatter than in 1980 which has a huge direct effect on T ; being fairly fat can evidently cut ‘er down by some 50%.

    Not a porn fan, would probably try to suppress it pretty deeply if I ruled, but I’m inclined to doubt it zips androgens. I would have to see some evidence well beyond simple diachronic epidemiology that has quite prominent confounds.

  7. VXXC says:

    Who gets the Franchise should be decided by your neighbors. Neighbors know who’s who. Like Zoning or Draft boards. Primary Criteria is responsibility, the secondary one is informed. Also the franchise should be tiered – who can vote locally may not be allowed to vote for statewide office, and who votes for National Office screened further still. This weeds out the twin downfalls of democracy; the shiftless voting for subsidy and academics/civil servants making themselves the permanent government.

    It also returns Democracy in America to where it’s supposed to be: local.

    We don’t of course now have democracy governing, should the powerful and dangerous tool be restored it’s exercise – franchise – must be limited. But NOT by any national criteria. Local Boards – your neighbors – decide who votes.

  8. survivingbabel says:

    While I’d like to see voting restricted to a form of non-hereditary, revocable peerage system, Reed’s suggestions would be a great start. You certainly wouldn’t have to worry about “Rule by Harvard”: between the legacies, the athletes, and the diversitots, maybe 1 in 10 alumni from the class of 2013 would qualify when eligible in 2021.

  9. IA says:

    While you and others recognize the problems in a way, being materialists yourselves you cannot see the forest for the trees.

  10. PA says:

    Having a sahm wife is possible with an average income. Not easy, but possible. Frugality and smart shopping is key. This includes making eating out (the stealth budget buster) a rare treat. Also careful research when buying used cars; never buy new. Home schooling, if not living in a decent school district.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      You just described my life perfectly PA, except for the bit out researching used cars… I go for cheap… and pay thru the nose on repair bills.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      With all my child tax credits and deductions, I actually pay negative net federal income tax. That would disappear very quickly if the little woman went out to work.

      • Samson J. says:

        With all my child tax credits and deductions, I actually pay negative net federal income tax.

        I always hear about this kind of stuff down there. Exactly what kind of tax credits do you Yanx get? In Canada we get a small amount of federal money per child, but it isn’t that much.

      • Foseti says:

        There’s pretty big advantage if you’re married and the wife doesn’t earn much (and a pretty big penalty the other way).

      • Nick B. Steves says:

        I’m always careful to thank my two income, highly taxed and AMT-paying colleagues for chipping in for me. But they should thank me as I have ALOT of kids who will have to foot the bill for THEIR medicare someday…

  11. Nick B. Steves says:

    Deflation is killing bitcoin? Really, Rob Wile? Really??!

    One Silk Road buyer and small-time drug dealer with the name Joey Terrifying writes that he used the site to buy a gram of Molly, a form of ecstasy, with the intention of quickly selling it to his own customers. By the time he’d sold it three weeks later, Bitcoin had risen in value so much that it dwarfed his profits from the drug sales. “I would have more money now if I had just done nothing at all,” Terrifying laments.

    “Hoarding is the rational response to runaway deflation,” adds one user with the name Astor. “If I spend $100 on drugs now and the price of [Bitcoin] doubles in a week, then I’ve effectively spent $200 on those drugs by next week.”

    That’s it dear Rob Wile? You snarf a couple of comments from Just Some Dudes and declare bitcoin deflation a problem? You snarf those comments from an article entitled Founder Of Drug Site Silk Road Says Bitcoin Booms And Busts Won’t Kill His Black Market??!!

    It’s times like this, when all the correction, condescension, pity, and admonition in the world cannot but seem to fall short. Harry Frankfurt has a tidy diagnosis:

    It is impossible for someone to lie unless he thinks he knows the truth. Producing bullshit requires no such conviction. A person who lies is thereby responding to the truth, and he is to that extent respectful of it. When an honest man speaks, he says only what he believes to be true; and for the liar, it is correspondingly indispensable that he considers his statements to be false. For the bullshitter, however, all these bets are off: he is neither on the side of the true nor on the side of the false. His eye is not on the facts at all, as the eyes of the honest man and of the liar are, except insofar as they may be pertinent to his interest in getting away with what he says. He does not care whether the things he says describe reality correctly. He just picks them out, or makes them up, to suit his purpose.

      –Harry Frankfurt, On Bullshit, Princeton U. Press, 2005.

  12. Samson J. says:

    who have an IQ of 130 or higher

    No one’s commented on this yet? It seems awfully demanding, even for us. I don’t think my IQ is that high.

    • Foseti says:

      Yeah, but who really cares about voting? Be nice not to think about it, perhaps

      • Handle says:

        Exactly. Anyway, my sense is that the IQ 130+ crowd is pretty solidly Progressive, so Fred probably wouldn’t like the results any better than what we’re getting now.

        The non-SWPL residents of Detroit may vote more consistently Democrat, but all that fact demonstrates is the contemporary distinction between “Democrat” and genuine ideological “Progressive”.

      • Marc Cabot says:


        You would be surprised. The *noisy* ones are progressive. But if you were to read the Intertel or Triple-Nine mailing lists, you would find a very solid majority of the members are on a spectrum from libertarian to outright politically conservative (and a surprising number are quite religious.) I don’t read the Mensa lists (too much activity) but I never found that that group was a hotbed of progressivism either. The leaders tend to be, but so do the leaders in almost all non-explicitly conservative social groups, because power calls to power.

        Yes, self-selected samples. But so are the noisy progressives.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      Second sigma is I think the sweet spot for the natural leaders who can at least communicate with people in the -1st sigma, which is important because there are a lot of them and they can produce expensive externalities if they do not have their interests (actual interests, not gimme stuff interests) looked after. Seems like limiting voting to third sigma and above would put the “average” voter largely outside of the experience of the left half of the bell curve, which is a whole lotta people never to have met when you’re making decisions (however dilute) for all of society.

  13. RS says:

    Forget IQ and age. STEM bachelors or high STEM Subject GRE and own a home and married (once) w/ 2+ kids.

  14. Nyk says:

    It appears a reactionary movement very different from our own (namely, Islam) has actually managed to strike terror into the very heart of the Cathedral: Harvard is closed down for the day, while 1 of the 2 Chechen Muslim terrorists is still at large.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      Unless you can kill the Cathedral, striking terror into its heart only strengthens it. “But you can’t do that..” should be the last thought it ever thinks.

  15. RS says:

    > Yes, self-selected samples. But so are the noisy progressives.

    Well, rigorous data exist. (White) liberals are slightly smarter.

    Not sure what the left-right difference would be at 2+ sigma, but it might not be entirely ‘slight’.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      Danish men are taller than Italian men; but that doesn’t mean they beat them at basketball.

      Minnesota HS students outperform Texas’ students overall; but white, hispanic, and black students respectively all do better in Texas.

      I could swear Audacious Epigone somewhere solved the IQ Liberal/Conservative puzzle for us, but I cannot seem to find it right now. But it goes something like:

      P(smart|liberal) != P(liberal|smart)

  16. jamzw says:

    As von Hayek noticed seventy years ago, when there exists a class of high IQ persons this is less likely to bring enlightenment and more likely to bring an increasing percentage of socialist,. They are less inclined to respect generations or centuries of learned experience and more prone to become enamored with their own reasoning skills. The fact that the same issues have been reasoned the same way with the same result many times before does not provoke their interest because it does not confirm their opinion. To the contrary.

    The simplest method for determining the rules of suffrage are to eliminate those who receive any form of taxpayer benefits, excluding those which are mandatory. Under such a system of suffrage it would finally be possible to exclude mandatory schemes.

    Under this method Reagan would be a Democrat (in the party that left him) and Foseti a Republican.

  17. Nick B. Steves says:

    Although, whether or not it is true, adding the 1 < sigma < 2 folks to the voting population captures the generally hardworking and responsible non-elite: the airline pilots, middle managers, and small business owners of the world.

    It's the moderates actually that are the most dumb, as was supremely well parodied on SNL last election cycle.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      “it” whether smart people are more likely to be liberal or conservative?


    • Marc Cabot says:

      “We don’t have deficits because the Left believes in mandates and we don’t have deficits because the Right believes in markets. We have deficits because the middle believes in *magic.*”

  18. Jehu says:

    The problem with limiting the franchise to +2 sigma is that a really large fraction of that group is non-neurotypical and doesn’t know it. They tend to favor solutions that would work if the bulk of humanity as like themselves. This doesn’t end well. Better to just ask for white male net taxpayers if you want a limited franchise.

    • Nick B. Steves says:

      You would have to make “disparate impact” legal reasoning as unfashionable as “sex with someone makes you married to them” reasoning before you could do either. But, yeah, what Jehu said (better than I did–actually I was thinking of him when I said it). Hell, I’d be happy with male net taxpayers. Or just net taxpayers… or even just limited franchise.

    • Marc Cabot says:

      I have to admit that even as a *reasonably* neurotypical example this is a really good observation. Smart people are really, really good at talking themselves into things and it’s hard to talk them down again. They’re really used to other people’s arguments being stupid and tend to discount them heavily, even from people they objectively know aren’t stupid. (E.G. Sheldon Cooper, whose friends are, mathematically, all very very bright and frequently prove him wrong, but who rests unperturbed on the idea that since he is the smartest, he is always right.)

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