The oldest civilization

We’re seeing lots of things in Egypt these days, but one of them is the destruction of the last remaining Coptic communities.

The Copts are the original Egyptians (one could argue they’re currently enjoying the benefits of Arab immigration, but that would perhaps be unfair). They’re the last remnants of the world’s first civilization.

In Coptic churches today (if there are any left) you can still hear a language spoken which sounds a lot like the language the Ancient Egyptians used to speak thousands of years ago.

It’s fascinating and sad to think about all the events that this group of people has survived and to reflect on the ones it won’t.

25 Responses to The oldest civilization

  1. dearieme says:

    “They’re the last remnants of the world’s first civilization.” Well, first if you ignore Iraq.

  2. Handle says:

    This is one of the very, very few instances when Redgov scored a win (we’ll see how temporarily) in the Redgov vs. Bluegov perpetual turf-war. Bluegov finally conceded that their characteristically naive optimism was ‘premature’ and that the Blue-Blue (State-Foreign Ministry) link was untenable under al Ikhwan. They will let Red-Red continue to function (don’t believe talk of ‘suspension’ of aid – it isn’t true) until they find a ‘Liberal’ Morsi substitute.

    The way it works in Egypt is kind of a secular version of olde England. Elite families run (with moderate levels of competence and corruption) and place a son in each of the bureaucracy, the military, the corporations, and academia, but they don’t have a hold on populist religion (and the media is split). There’s a lot of foreign intervention from the Saudi and Qatari rivals.

    My guess is that Bluegov compromises and finds a ‘Liberal’ corporate-bureacratic type with family ties to (and backing from) the military. Somehow the election will be made to work out for the authorized result. It wouldn’t be the first time.

  3. Scharlach says:

    An excellent point to bring up in the midst of Egyptian chaos. All the MB’s blathering nonsense about anti-colonialism completely glosses over the fact that Arabs in Egypt are a colonial presence. Not that bringing the point up will do any good. As far as the Left is concerned, history began in 1492. Before that, it was Eden.

  4. VXXC says:

    Then Redgov can demand privately to protect the Copts.

    Redgov is largely incompetent. Competent Redgov would have defense budgeted automatically like entitlements. It would have VA benefits privatised like other benefit services [SNAP/EBT]. It might even win a war. Notice I list according to DC priorities.

    Bluegov is competent at getting and keeping power, and civilization ending disaster at governing. Left to continue to fester in power they’ll eventually do this to America. It’s certainly their intention.
    Their not misguided. Their drive is malice. Cloaked in serene righteousness. A righteousness so rapacious there isn’t enough room in the world for the rest of us. The Copts are the latest victims. Mind you there’s a Coptic Church around the block from me, so all is not lost.

  5. spandrell says:

    Genetically most Egyptian muslims aren’t much different from the Copts. And there’s 8 million of those, they’ll be fine.

    The decline of Coptic is a bummer, but what can you do.

    • Foseti says:

      I don’t know how different they are genetically, but you can tell them apart a mile away (both from appearance and behavior).

      • spandrell says:

        I just remember Razib or someone writing about it. It doesn’t make much sense that a bunch Arabs replaced most of all the old Egyptians.

        How do you know anyway? I thought you only travelled to fancy places.

      • Foseti says:

        Yeah, I try to avoid the third world. I have a good friend that’s Coptic though (born in Egypt, but left young). I’ve spent a lot of time with his extended family. If you ever want tower some people that don’t like Muslims . . .

      • spandrell says:

        Give him some guns and send him back! Copts have more kids in Egypt that they have in exile. If community continuity is the goal we shouldn’t let them leave.

      • anon says:


        Copts do sure hate them, but then again, who likes em?

  6. VXXC says:

    Meanwhile the useless Catholic Hierarchy and the Television Christians [traditional protestants] are silent and bemused.

    The only people taking action are their Egyptian neighbors who are watching their churches. Muslims of course, as Christians denounce violence.

    For $2 Billion you protect the Churches, or no more money.
    As they are going to the Saudis for the money, I doubt protecting Churches is a priority.

    The American government are whores, and beyond redemption.

  7. fnn says:

    Syrian Christians have been around even longer than the Copts (at least culturally) and US-Israel is aiding in their extermination.

    • Eliezer Ben-Yehuda says:

      Nonsense. Israel is quite satisfied with the Assad regime. The Assad family has kept their Armistice line (with Israel) VERY QUIET for decades now.

  8. SOBL1 says:

    From Al-Jazeera -In case it was not already clear, in an interview with the French daily newspaper Le Monde, the Egyptian General Amr said with remarkable frankness that he is prepared to oversee a campaign that would essentially be aimed at “purging” Egypt of political Islam.

    “There are 90 million Egyptians and there are only three million [members of] the Muslim Brotherhood. We need six months to liquidate or imprison them all,” said in the interview, published on Monday.

    The general’s affirmation is eerily similar to comments heard from the mouths of the Algerian “eradicators” – those within the regime who, advocated that any means necessary should be used to wipe out political Islam. This toolkit included any means necessary, with torture, killings and a complete disregard for basic human rights.

    • Jehu says:

      Yes, this is what you have to do when you’re forced to live in a nation with others who can’t live under the same sky you do. The generals are correct. Either their enemies will be purged or they will be.

      • SOBL1 says:

        The fact that our State Dept, President + media even breathe words of support for the MB is an indictment of our ruling class.

    • Anonymous says:

      Let’s hope they don’t think getting useless military “aid” from the USA is more important than purging their enemies.

      We’ve seen this play before. Iran, 1979. Iranian generals indicate they are prepared to crush the revolutionary fanatics. Bluegov says to Carter, let’s turn them loose. Redgov says no, we can come to terms with Khomeini. Carter sides with Redgov.

      • Anonymous says:

        Crap, I got the Redgov and Bluegov backwards. Can’t help but think of the Left as Red.

      • Anonymous says:

        Anyway it was Vance and Ambassador Sullivan who were the big giant pussies, obviously.

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  12. Colmainen says:

    Believe or not, Iraq still has some Assyrians (yes, that Assyrians in the Bible). Some are now Catholics. Those who didn’t like to be the Pope’s stooges eventually ended up, out of all place, in Chicago.

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